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03/02/2010 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE


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Moved SB 279 Out of Committee
+ SB 258 DENTAL CARE INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
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+ SB 129 RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TELECONFERENCED
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= SB 117 PRICE OF CIGARETTES
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              SB 129-RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  PASKVAN announced  SB 129  to be up  for consideration.  He                                                              
said a  lot of work  was done on  this bill  in the past  year. He                                                              
moved  to bring  CSSB  129(),  version  M, before  the  committee.                                                              
There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:42:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  LINDA  MENARD, sponsor  of  SB  129, said  the  committee                                                              
substitute (CS)  was a result  of listening  to the pros  and cons                                                              
of  this  issue while  adhering  to  what  she believed  needs  to                                                              
happen. She  said the  CS is a  compromise. She  said that  she is                                                              
not  opposed to  sprinkler systems  being required  in homes,  but                                                              
she does  believe that  requiring residents  to install  sprinkler                                                              
systems in the building code needs a more robust hearing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  said the CS removes  all references to  the state,                                                              
state  agencies, and  state corporations,  because  Alaska has  no                                                              
statewide  building  code.  The  CS retains  local  control  while                                                              
setting  in  statute  an  elongated  public  process.  Along  with                                                              
preparing  a cost  benefit  analysis, this  bill  calls for  local                                                              
governments to  post notice  at least 30  days before  their first                                                              
public  hearing, schedule  at  least three  public  hearings on  a                                                              
proposed  ordinance  or  amendment  to  be held  within  a  60-day                                                              
period and  not consider the  proposed ordinance or  amendment for                                                              
adoption  sooner  than  60  days after  conclusion  of  the  first                                                              
public meeting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
It is  no surprise  that the  firefighters would  be against  this                                                              
bill. Respectfully, she  said, it is their job to  do all they can                                                              
to  protect the  life and  property  of Alaskans,  but she  argued                                                              
that  the  CS  retains local  control  and  gives  local  decision                                                              
makers the option of mandating sprinklers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  argued that  those opposed to  the bill  would say                                                              
this bill puts  an unfunded mandate on cities  and municipalities,                                                              
but the unfunded  mandate is really being put  on homeowners. Plus                                                              
a local  government can choose  to spend as  little or as  much as                                                              
it wants to on the required cost benefit analysis.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  said the  cost benefit  analysis language  in this                                                              
bill is very  broad simply requiring local governments  to prepare                                                              
a  cost benefit  analysis as  to  how expensive  or inexpensive  a                                                              
proposal may be.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
She  said the  reason  for the  expanded  public  process is  that                                                              
adopting a  code requiring fire  sprinkler systems for one  to two                                                              
family dwellings  is not a "run-of-the-mill"  code item. It  is an                                                              
expensive system  that has proven impacts  on the cost  of a home.                                                              
It is  especially costly for those  on well systems,  which almost                                                              
a  third of  Alaskans are  on. Anchorage  Mayor  Sullivan said  he                                                              
thinks  the   extra  public  process   is  appropriate   for  fire                                                              
sprinklers  in one  or  two  family dwellings  because  installing                                                              
them in Alaska's cold climate is complex.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD said  she didn't  dispute the  potential life  and                                                              
property savings  quality of sprinkler  system and  realized there                                                              
are  situations where  mandating sprinklers  in a  new home  would                                                              
seem  to make  sense,  but her  point  with the  CS  was that  the                                                              
public who will be  the one to pay for the system  will have ample                                                              
time  for  testimony,  discussion   and  education  if  the  issue                                                              
arises.  She said SB 129 has a zero fiscal note.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:49:04 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF   TUCKER,   President,  Alaska   Fire   Chiefs   Association,                                                              
Fairbanks,  said a  public process  is already  in place that  has                                                              
worked well for  all public code procedures. There  is no need for                                                              
a special process for just one issue.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:51:18 PM                                                                                                                    
WALLY  SMITH, President,  Alaska  State Homebuilders  Association,                                                              
deferred   his  testimony   to   the  Interior   Alaska   Building                                                              
Association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:00 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE    MILLER,   President,    Interior    Alaska    Homebuilders                                                              
Association,  Fairbanks,  said  this  bill  is  a  reasonable  and                                                              
intelligent  compromise  that  provides time  for  local  building                                                              
officials,  legislators and  voters to  consider the  consequences                                                              
of  mandating sprinklers  in  single family  homes  in Alaska.  He                                                              
encouraged the committee to pass SB 129.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MEYER  asked what it costs  to install a  sprinkler system                                                              
in an average size house.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER answered anywhere from $2-8 square foot.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MEYER  took the middle, $5,  and said an average  house is                                                              
1500-2000 square  feet; so this  would add substantial cost  on to                                                              
a  new  home  and  the  builder  would just  pass  it  on  to  the                                                              
consumer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER  responded that consumers  right now are having  a hard                                                              
time  buying homes  without having  an additional  $7500 added  to                                                              
their cost.  Appraisers aren't even  "getting value" for  that, so                                                              
consumers would have to pay for this cost out of pocket.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Also,  he said,  it's almost  impossible to  say how  much a  real                                                              
functioning  system  in homes  with  well  systems would  cost  to                                                              
install. Their job  as builders is to provide  safe and affordable                                                              
housing for  Alaskans and mandating  sprinklers would put  a large                                                              
number of people  where they couldn't afford to build  a home. The                                                              
Homebuilders  encourage life  safety things  like smoke  detectors                                                              
that are a better value for homebuyers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MEYER asked  if sprinklers are susceptible  to freezing up                                                              
in the winter.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER  replied that it  would depend  on the type  of system,                                                              
but  water  systems are  susceptible  to  freezing in  Alaska  and                                                              
Minnesota.  He had  even read a  report that  said some  insurance                                                              
companies were  not providing  a discount  for having  a sprinkler                                                              
system because of  some water loss issues with  systems going off.                                                              
Maintenance of these systems is another issue.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MEYER  asked  how  often sprinkler  systems  need  to  be                                                              
maintained.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLER   replied  that   most  would   recommend  an   annual                                                              
inspection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:59:43 PM                                                                                                                    
ERIC  MOHRMANN,  Fire Chief,  Capital  City Fire  Rescue,  Juneau,                                                              
said  the  City  and  Borough  of  Juneau  (CBJ),  like  17  other                                                              
jurisdictions  across   the  state   of  Alaska,  is   a  deferred                                                              
jurisdiction.  This means  that the State  Fire Marshall's  Office                                                              
has looked at  their code adoption process and  their capabilities                                                              
and has  decided that they not  only meet the  minimum enforcement                                                              
requirements of the  state fire and building codes,  but that they                                                              
exceed them.  He said  the local jurisdictions  had spent  quite a                                                              
bit  of money  to provide  citizens  with good  quality code  plan                                                              
review, enforcement and adoption.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained  that the City and  Borough of Juneau has  a rigorous                                                              
process for  adopting codes; the  Assembly appoints  a five-person                                                              
committee  to review  the codes  in detail,  line-by-line, over  a                                                              
two-and-a-half  year  period.  In Juneau's  case,  this  committee                                                              
consists  of  an  architect,  an   electrical  engineer,  a  civil                                                              
engineer,  a  mechanical  engineer  and a  contractor.  They  meet                                                              
regularly  in public  meetings which  are publicized  over a  two-                                                              
and-a-half  year  period  and  look  at  the  building,  fire  and                                                              
residential  codes   (the  one   in  question  here).   They  make                                                              
amendments  and modifications  to those  codes to  meet the  local                                                              
jurisdictional  needs. By  law,  they are  not allowed  to make  a                                                              
code requirement  or  a code change  that is  less stringent  than                                                              
the  state's, but  they are  allowed to  have ones  that are  more                                                              
stringent. After  numerous public  meetings, which are  publicized                                                              
and open to the  public, their recommendations are  turned over to                                                              
the Assembly  Public Works Committee.  This committee  reviews the                                                              
recommendations in  detail in publicized open public  meetings and                                                              
then  forms a  recommendation that  is  forwarded on  to the  full                                                              
Assembly. The full  Assembly, in public open  publicized meetings,                                                              
presents these  recommendations through two public  hearings which                                                              
span one month.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said the  state of Alaska does  not enforce nor has  it adopted                                                              
the  2009  International  Residential  Code,  the  code  that  has                                                              
specifications for  residential sprinklers for one  and two-family                                                              
dwellings.  The   state  doesn't  even  address   it.  Only  local                                                              
deferred  jurisdictions  and home  rule  communities  can look  at                                                              
this  code and  decide  on their  own whether  they  are going  to                                                              
adopt the  provisions or not.  He said  that the City  and Borough                                                              
of  Juneau had  adopted  the  International Residential  Code  for                                                              
2003 and  modified the  2006 version  that requires sprinklers  in                                                              
one  and   two-family  dwellings,   because  that  would   not  be                                                              
appropriate at this time.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN explained  that when  the  2009 codes  comes up  for                                                              
review, the committee,  the Assembly Committee, the  Assembly, and                                                              
the public  can all have  their say and  decide whether  they want                                                              
that option or not.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MOHRMANN   said  this  bill   addresses  one  issue   only  -                                                              
residential sprinklers - and emphasized:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There is no  more effective way to protect  our citizens                                                                   
     from   fire   than  one   and   two-family   residential                                                                   
     sprinklers.  Seventy-eight  percent  of fires  occur  in                                                                   
     one  and two-family  dwellings.  Eighty  percent of  the                                                                   
     civilian fire  deaths, 84 percent  of the civilian  fire                                                                   
     injuries  occur in one  and two-family dwellings.  Where                                                                   
     should we  be addressing our  fire resources  to solving                                                                   
     the problem? It seems to make sense to me.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
But regardless of  that, he said, the code review  committees look                                                              
at  a variety  of things  - how  many  toilets a  building has  to                                                              
have,   how  many   egress   windows,  electrical   ground   fault                                                              
interrupter circuits,  and smoke  detectors - thousands  of items.                                                              
They all have financial  impacts, so why single out  this one item                                                              
to go through a different process?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOHRMANN stated  that right now a triplex  or four-plex within                                                              
Juneau is  required by the  code to have  a sprinkler  system, but                                                              
the State  of Alaska has not  made that requirement until  one has                                                              
more than 16 residential units.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOHRMANN said  that it was mentioned that  sprinklers will not                                                              
work  off  of a  well,  but  he has  installed  three  residential                                                              
sprinkler systems in  his own homes, one by contractor  and two by                                                              
himself.  His cost  was $1200-$1500  per system,  and two  of them                                                              
were off of wells  and they do work. You need a  water tank and an                                                              
electric pump.  "It's not rocket  science." They didn't  freeze up                                                              
and these  were all  done in Fairbanks.  These systems  were given                                                              
breaks by  insurance companies; he said  state law says  you get a                                                              
2  percent   reduction  in  your   local  taxes  if  you   have  a                                                              
residential  sprinkler  system installed.  It  won't  pay for  the                                                              
whole thing, but  it helps, and insurance companies  recognize the                                                              
value. The  history behind residential  sprinkler systems  is that                                                              
they  have been  phenomenally effective,  he  concluded, and  they                                                              
cost  about 3  percent  of new  construction  using the  excessive                                                              
estimate  of $5 sq.  ft. Bottom  line, though,  these systems  are                                                              
very effective at saving lives                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:08:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MEYER asked  if the sprinkler heads are  sensitive to kids                                                              
throwing balls, for instance.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF MOHRMANN replied  that he had three kids in  each one of his                                                              
houses with the  same type of heads, but the ball  never hit them.                                                              
Mechanically  they are very  reliable and don't  have a  record of                                                              
having  many   accidental  activations  from  getting   struck  by                                                              
something.  Statistics  show  that  sprinkler  head  spontaneously                                                              
fail less than one in a million.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MEYER asked what annual maintenance is required.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN  answered  that  an   NFPA  13-R  system,  which  is                                                              
designed  for triplexes  and larger  and commercial  applications,                                                              
requires  an annual inspection  in the  form of  a report  that is                                                              
turned  into the local  fire department.  The  fire code does  not                                                              
apply  in  the case  of  one  and two-family  dwellings,  but  the                                                              
International Residential  Code does. He  didn't believe it  had a                                                              
requirement for annual inspections.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MEYER  remarked that  he  is  not  required to  have  his                                                              
furnace  checked  annually,  but  he  wants to  do  it.  He  would                                                              
probably want to do that with a sprinkler system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN   answered  yes;   most  residential   systems  (wet                                                              
systems)  are  filled with  water  all  the  time. They  are  very                                                              
simple. It  will come off the  meter, have an indicating  valve, a                                                              
little backflow preventer  valve, and a pressure  gauge. You check                                                              
to see if the  valve is open and if it has  pressure. That's about                                                              
it. The  fire department  is more than  happy to answer  questions                                                              
about them.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DAVIS asked  if he was speaking to the CS  or the original                                                              
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN responded  that he  was trying  to demonstrate  that                                                              
the  established local  process is  already very  vigorous and  is                                                              
used for  thousands and thousands  of other items;  injecting this                                                              
requirement  for one  and two-family  dwellings  is excessive  and                                                              
not necessary.  He opposed  the CS for  the same reason  - because                                                              
what it requires is already being done.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  why  he opposed  the  bill  since it  didn't                                                              
mandate sprinkler systems.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN  answered that  a  triplex  is regulated  under  the                                                              
International  Building Code;  a  one and  two-family dwelling  is                                                              
regulated  under  the  International  Residential  Code.  Both  of                                                              
those are  scrutinized under the  local code adoption  process for                                                              
that  deferred  jurisdiction.  It   is  already  a  very  rigorous                                                              
process, and  the reason for his  opposition to the CS  is that it                                                              
injects additional steps that are unnecessary.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  if something  could be  changed in the  bill                                                              
that would allow him to support it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOHRMANN replied,  "To be  honest  with you,  at this  point,                                                              
there  is already  under  - I  believe it's  AS  29.25 -  specific                                                              
directions  in  regards  to  how   meetings  are  supposed  to  be                                                              
held...and   code  adoption   falls   within   that."  The   local                                                              
jurisdictions have  to follow those by  law, so that makes  the CS                                                              
superfluous. It's  merely an effort  to make adopting  residential                                                              
sprinklers more onerous, he concluded.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PASKVAN said  he was  particularly focused  on whether  the                                                              
percentage  of structure  fires  and  the percentage  of  civilian                                                              
fire   deaths  occurring   in  residential   structures  were   in                                                              
triplexes or more as compared to duplexes or less.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOHRMANN  responded that this  information came  directly from                                                              
the National  Fire Protection  Association and  he would  be happy                                                              
to provide  copies of that  document to  the committee. It  was in                                                              
reference to one and two-family dwellings.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:16:56 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  HILL, Fire  Chief, Ketchikan,  Alaska,  said the  Ketchikan                                                              
Fire Department  and the City  of Ketchikan both  strongly opposed                                                              
SB  129   because  everyone  knows   the  benefits  of   having  a                                                              
residential sprinkler  system. He said  back in the 60s  and early                                                              
70s, 15,000  people a year were  killed in fires; today  it's less                                                              
than 4,000. The  codes were changed because people  died. The most                                                              
recently  deferred  jurisdictions  in Alaska  all  have  different                                                              
fire and  building code  issues to  deal with.  He asked  that the                                                              
legislature leave  fire and building code enforcement  issues on a                                                              
local  level  and  not  have  state  mandates  that  impede  their                                                              
ability to protect their communities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILL said  that Ketchikan already has the  Ketchikan Municipal                                                              
Code that  goes through the same  process that Juneau  does. Their                                                              
process provides  them the ability  to work with people  on issues                                                              
that have  been around  since Ketchikan was  formed. To  take that                                                              
away to  have some kind of  leverage with contractors,  homeowners                                                              
and professionals  is wrong, he emphatically stated.  For example,                                                              
a  local single  family  dwelling  in Ketchikan  sits  atop a  26-                                                              
percent  grade  that  for  all practical  purposes  he  could  not                                                              
protect - at  least with a fire  truck to the front  door. He also                                                              
wasn't able to  provide emergency medical services  without having                                                              
to  walk there.  It's in  a "dandy  spot" with  probably the  best                                                              
view in town and  was approved a couple of years  ago. Now someone                                                              
wants to  build a neighboring house  in the same vicinity,  and he                                                              
now has  some leverage with  those folks  to have a  standpipe put                                                              
in between  the homes instead of  requiring a sprinkler  system to                                                              
go in  the second  house. It  is a  fixed fire  system that  would                                                              
allow him  to provide  effective fire protection  for both  of the                                                              
homes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PASKVAN  said he  believed the  CS is  a local option  bill,                                                              
and  he   asked  him  what  portion   of  the  procedure   is  not                                                              
appropriate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILL replied  that he  didn't believe  it was  inappropriate;                                                              
it's just  already  being done on  a local  level and  communities                                                              
have different fire and building code issues to deal with.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR PASKVAN asked  him to provide the statistics  from 1970 that                                                              
he referenced to the committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILL responded that wouldn't be a problem.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:21:59 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID SQUIRES,  Fire Chief, Seward,  Alaska, read a  letter signed                                                              
by the  city manager opposing  SB 129. It  said as written  SB 129                                                              
would infringe  upon their  rights as a  home rule city  and would                                                              
limit  the rights of  their citizens  to consider  ways to  reduce                                                              
the cost of government.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SQUIRES  said   SB  129  would  limit  the   ability  of  the                                                              
municipality  to  consider  options   when  planning  forest  fire                                                              
protection.  It also  increases their  administrative workload  by                                                              
increasing the number  of public hearings for  ordinance adoption.                                                              
This  bill   does  not   consider  what   process  each   deferred                                                              
jurisdiction already  has in place for adopting  building, fire or                                                              
mechanical codes.  This bill would  severely impact  the community                                                              
of Seward because  of existing ordinances  concerning improvements                                                              
for construction  where they have used a sprinkler  requirement as                                                              
a way to reduce costs to developers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
If this bill  is passed, Mr. Squires  said, it would drive  up the                                                              
cost  for  fire  protection  in  Seward because  of  the  need  to                                                              
require  vehicles or  a vehicle  that  would have  the ability  to                                                              
truck  in water,  supplies and  the cost  of a  building to  house                                                              
those vehicles.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SQUIRES pointed  out that  the state  fire marshal  indicated                                                              
this  bill would  have no  fiscal  impact on  the department,  and                                                              
that is true  because the State  of Alaska does not  regulate this                                                              
issue, but having  certain items in place prior to  adoption of an                                                              
ordinance on  sprinklers for residential  structures would  put an                                                              
enormous financial impact on their community.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  thanked  Senator  Menard  for allowing  time  for  the  public                                                              
process,  but as  a deferred  jurisdiction  that passes  building,                                                              
fire,  mechanical,  electrical  codes  and more,  he  said  Seward                                                              
already has  that process  in order  and he  had not received  one                                                              
complaint  from any  of  the contractors  or  residents that  have                                                              
built houses  within the City of  Seward that their  timelines for                                                              
adopting new codes  or making additions to codes is  too short. He                                                              
would like to hear  if the proponents of this bill  think they are                                                              
not getting a  fair hearing at any of the  deferred jurisdictions,                                                              
so they could fix those items.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SQUIRES  commented on  Mayor Sullivan's  letter where  he said                                                              
this could  be done on a case-by-case  basis - this bill  does not                                                              
allow  case-by-case; it  would be  a blanket  ordinance. It  would                                                              
not be good for  two houses that have different  requirements 2000                                                              
feet apart; it could lead to a fairly large lawsuit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF FEID,  Loss Mitigation  Administrator, State Farm  Insurance,                                                              
opposed  SB 129 as  well as  the CS.  He said  the total lives  in                                                              
cost of  residential  fires is enormous,  and  on behalf of  their                                                              
policy  holders, State  Farm  must take  all  reasonable steps  to                                                              
reduce  the  3000 national  yearly  deaths  caused by  them.  It's                                                              
beyond  dispute  that when  properly  installed,  sprinklers  save                                                              
lives, protect property, and reduce the risk to firefighters.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  said that  State  Farm  provides  premium discount  for  homes                                                              
protected   with  fire   sprinkler   systems  meeting   nationally                                                              
recognized  standards.  They  have considered  many  studies  that                                                              
show the  benefits of  having fire sprinklers.  One example  is in                                                              
Scottsdale,  Arizona,  that  has  had an  ordinance  for  over  20                                                              
years. In  the first  15 years  the ordinance  was in  place, they                                                              
had  598 home  fires. Of  those fires,  49 were  in single  family                                                              
homes  with  sprinkler systems  and  no  deaths occurred.  In  the                                                              
homes  that  had  fires  without   sprinkler  systems,  13  people                                                              
perished. Likewise,  another 13 people who would  have likely died                                                              
without sprinklers were saved.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The average fire  loss for sprinklered incidents  in Scottsdale is                                                              
$2,166 in  property damage compared  to $45,000 for  unsprinklered                                                              
incidents.  Significantly  reduced  water  damage was  also  found                                                              
because fires were  suppressed with 341 gallons of  water per fire                                                              
in those  homes with  sprinkler systems  versus the  unsprinklered                                                              
homes that used almost 3,000 gallons per home.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FEID  related that  the average  cost to  install a  system in                                                              
Scottsdale was 80  cents sq. ft. and the National  Fire Protection                                                              
Research Foundation  has shown on a national  average installation                                                              
cost  of $1.61  sq.  ft.  He noted  that  part of  the  Foundation                                                              
project included  participation from  the National Association  of                                                              
Homebuilders as well as State Farm.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PASKVAN asked him to submit the data he relied upon.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD  reiterated  that  she is  not  against  sprinkler                                                              
systems, but she is for a more public process and opportunity.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  REVITO, aide  to Senator  Menard, additionally  commented                                                              
that a  lot of  speakers didn't  address the  actual CS  which was                                                              
about having a more  robust public process. Some of  the folks who                                                              
spoke said a public  process was already in place,  and while that                                                              
is  true, statute  says  that local  governments  are required  to                                                              
notice  only five  days before  public hearings  begin. Since  all                                                              
the previous  speakers seemed to  support involving the  public as                                                              
much as  possible,  giving the public  even more  time to  educate                                                              
themselves and come forth with their opinions seemed reasonable.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 129 was held in committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:33:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR PASKVAN thanked  everyone for their testimony  and adjourned                                                              
the meeting at 3:33 p.m.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CS SB 129 Bill Packet.pdf SL&C 3/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SL&C 3/9/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 129
SB 279 Bill Packet.pdf SL&C 3/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 279
SB 258 Bill Packet.pdf SL&C 3/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 258